<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Hello Ben,<br>there are a lot of people working on gvSIG Project and trying to make it sustainable for the future. That's not easy but they make it possible.<br>Your sentence is not true: <span style="font-style: italic;">"we have an official version for use at CIT and branches for use by the rest of the world"</span>. The official version of gvSIG is for use all over the world.<br>How do you want to make gvSIG OADE sustainable for the future us an open source project in the true spirit of it? <br><br>Regards<br>José Canalejo<br><br><br><div> </div>--<br>José Antonio Canalejo Alonso<br>CSGIS<br>Email:jose.canalejo@csgis.de<br><span>Web: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.csgis.de">http://www.csgis.de</a></span><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">De:</span></b> Benjamin Ducke <benjamin.ducke@oxfordarch.co.uk><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Para:</span></b> Users and Developers mailing list <gvsig_internacional@listserv.gva.es><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Enviado:</span></b> vie,26 marzo, 2010 16:32<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Asunto:</span></b> Re: [Gvsig_english] QUESTION gvSIG 1.9 (BN 1253) -- Future of gvSIG and Sextante<br></font><br>Hi all<br><br>> About Sextante + gvSIG in the future... My opinion is that we will be<br>> togheter, and there will be always a gvSIG+Sextante distribution. In<br>> fact, we are planning a new 1.9.1 release to fix some of the more<br>> anoying bugs, and we will try to put the latest Sextante release (if<br>> it<br>> is possible. There
are some problems, for example, latest release will<br>> need java 1.6, and CIT (the public administration that pays the bill)<br>> still have a lot of computers with 1.5, so we need compatibility with<br>> 1.5. Maybe the solution will be to make 2 distributions, one with 1.5<br>> and other with 1.6, I don't know).<br>> <br><br>Well, that explains something!<br>And here we are guessing for months while gvSIG 1.9 still ships<br>with Java 1.6 and can no longer include SEXTANTE...<br><br>Sorry if this sounds a bit frustrated, but this is exactly the<br>sort of opacity that will send external contributes running away<br>if it keeps up (please see my more extensive comments below).<br><br>> These are only my personal thoughts. The decision process is driving<br>> by<br>> a commitee, but there is always a possibility to make an "unofficial"<br>> distribution, like OADE [1] or the latest gvSIG portable (also with<br>> Sextante,
and with Vista and 7 compatibility (thanks to AI2, the<br>> people<br>> who is developing the 3D plugin), and with the collaboration of Víctor<br>> to put Sextante, CSGIS, and some others (Jorge Gaspar, and my self,<br>> for<br>> example)).<br>> BTW, there is another "flavor" in gvSIG for Mac, thanks to Agustin<br>> Díez<br>> and the people of AI2 (again) [3].... ;-)<br><br>So now we have gvSIG 1.9, gvSIG 2.0 (no binaries yet), gvSIG OADE 2010,<br>and the new raster driver binaries done by AI2. But how is a first time<br>user supposed to understand what's going on here?<br><br>This is exactly the problem with forking and why I hope version 2.0<br>(or at least 2.1) will give us the opportunity to merge all of this mess<br>into a consolidated platform, again.<br><br>If gvSIG is to be an open source project in the true spirit of it, then<br>there need to be more frequent releases and there can be no exclusive,<br>closed decisions
by some committee about the design of the official,<br>public and open source release. No complex code base has ever survived<br>as an open source project in that way (look at Xara Xtreme for Linux<br>for a horrible example; Netscape had to radically change its approach<br>before it could turn into a successful open source project with Mozilla).<br><br>In fact, if there is pressure on CIT to develop a version specifically<br>targeted at its own workplaces, than *that* version should be branched<br>off to include things such as Java 1.5 support. The way it is right now,<br>we have an official version for use at CIT and branches for use by<br>the rest of the world -- that's the wrong way around from the open<br>source point of view!<br><br>There is no "payment" as such for users contributing to this project. All<br>they can get out of it is recognition and the good feeling to have contributed<br>to something greater. But with the way development decisions
are currently<br>made, I don't see that happening. Which makes me worried that we will lose<br>user contributions.<br><br>If CIT wants to get the *real* benefits from going open source, then it<br>needs to adopt more of the open source mindset.<br><br>Ben.<br><br>> <br>> Best regards, and keep going with your how-to manuals, and remember<br>> that<br>> the code behind all these releases is very, very simillar. Thanks a<br>> lot<br>> for your hard work.<br>> <br>> <br>> Fran Peñarrubia<br>> gvSIG Team.<br>> <br>> <br>> [1] <a href="http://oadigital.net/software/gvsigoade/gvsigoade2010beta" target="_blank">http://oadigital.net/software/gvsigoade/gvsigoade2010beta</a><br>> [2] <a href="http://www.gvsig.org/web/plugins/downloads/gvsig-1-9-portable" target="_blank">http://www.gvsig.org/web/plugins/downloads/gvsig-1-9-portable</a><br>> [3] <a
href="http://gvsigmac.blogspot.com/2010/03/big-news-gvsig19-working.html" target="_blank">http://gvsigmac.blogspot.com/2010/03/big-news-gvsig19-working.html</a><br>> <br>> <br>> Simon Cropper escribió:<br>> > Hi,<br>> ><br>> > A recent post by Victor outlined the roadmap for Sextante.<br>> ><br>> > In it he indicated he intended to make Sextante into a library and<br>> > allow various developers to assimilate this library into their<br>> > projects, rather than maintain a plug-in system which requires<br>> > constant rejigging to ensure the bindings work.<br>> ><br>> > Surprisingly, despite Victor pointing everyone to OADE 2010, the<br>> > developers of gvSIG (core project) were not goaded into a response.<br>> ><br>> > So I am asking... What is the position of the gvSIG Developers<br>> > regarding Sextante (you have had enough time to talk about this)?<br>>
Are<br>> > you planning to incorporate the upcoming library into gvSIG or will<br>> > you let this plug-in languish? I suppose the question is also<br>> relevant<br>> > for the next version of OADE.<br>> ><br>> > I think this is an important question as Sextante elevates gvSIG<br>> into<br>> > a product that can be used in a production environment; without it<br>> > gvSIG lacks important basic functionality.<br>> ><br>> > And at a personal level, I am in the final stages of preparing my<br>> > templates for my how-to manuals -- should I be writing my<br>> > documentation for OADE 2010 (which incorporates Sextante) or<br>> > gvSIG+Sextante or if the use of Sextante is uncertain, other<br>> upcoming<br>> > packages? I am also on record stating that gvSIG+Sextante is the<br>> first<br>> > FOSS GIS that I could use in a production environment. There is
also<br>> > an upcoming paper in OSGeo Journal to that elk. So, will these<br>> > statements hold true in the future or will the gvSIG product fall<br>> back<br>> > to just the core modules?<br>> ><br>> > --<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Cheers Simon<br>> ><br>> > Simon Cropper<br>> > Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd<br>> > PO Box 160, Sunshine, Victoria 3020.<br>> > P: 9311 5822. M: 041 830 3437.<br>> > mailto: <a ymailto="mailto:scropper@botanicusaustralia.com.au" href="mailto:scropper@botanicusaustralia.com.au">scropper@botanicusaustralia.com.au</a><br>> > <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:scropper@botanicusaustralia.com.au" href="mailto:scropper@botanicusaustralia.com.au">scropper@botanicusaustralia.com.au</a>><br><span>> > web: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.botanicusaustralia.com.au">www.botanicusaustralia.com.au</a></span><br>> <<a
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