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<P><FONT SIZE=2>For the records a couple of links about the gvSIG Association:<BR>
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- Blog post explaining what the gvSIG Association is: <A HREF="http://blog.gvsig.org/2011/07/07/explaining-what-the-gvsig-association-is/">http://blog.gvsig.org/2011/07/07/explaining-what-the-gvsig-association-is/</A><BR>
- gvSIG Association regulation (in English, French and Spanish): <A HREF="http://www.gvsig.com/association">http://www.gvsig.com/association</A><BR>
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A careful read of the bylaws will arise that Fernando's concerns about a single partner getting control of the Association is really difficult to happen as all the members, regardless of the size, have the same vote power.<BR>
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And I'm talking about the Association. The technical leading of the project is on the Technical Steering Committee, a gvSIG Project group, that is to say, it is not a group inside the Association responsibility.<BR>
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And you are true about this thread Fran, it's long enough indeed.<BR>
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-----Mensaje original-----<BR>
De: gvsig_internacional-bounces@listserv.gva.es en nombre de Francisco José Peñarrubia<BR>
Enviado el: vie 03/08/2012 11:37<BR>
Para: Users mailing list<BR>
Asunto: Re: [Gvsig_english] gvSIG and gvSIG-CE,when will someone clarify the situation?<BR>
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Hi All.<BR>
<BR>
My 2 cents, very short because I'm in holidays....<BR>
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1.- I think the Association is doing a very hard work in order to keep<BR>
going gvSIG. All (I mean All) the people belonging the Assoc invest lots of<BR>
time (some times paid, many times unpaid) in tasks for gvSIG project.<BR>
2.- There is a strong community behind gvSIG project. Thanks to all of<BR>
them. From heart.<BR>
3.- The Assoc. is centered in helping to raise funds needed to improve<BR>
gvSIG. Sometimes we need tasks to be done, and the tasks are too long or<BR>
hard (no people can do in his own), so, the Assoc. is paying for those<BR>
tasks to be done. For example, 1.12 release will come thanks to the Assoc.<BR>
(It has given money to help Cartolab with all the tests).<BR>
4.- We can make things good or bad. Sometimes we did well, sometimes we do<BR>
bad, we are humans. We try to do our best. We think there are valid rules,<BR>
and if those rules are applied well, the product (gvSIG) will be better. We<BR>
are trying to polish or relax some rules when we detect bad results.<BR>
5.- Some of us think this is the way to go. Some of us (people in CE<BR>
project were part of the project in the past) thought the way to go is to<BR>
fork.<BR>
6.- I think we should respect all decissions, and keep trying to<BR>
collaborate (if possible). At least in technical part, we think there are<BR>
good collaboration points in recent times (I will be sad if we cannot<BR>
achieve this). Respect is important, both sides.<BR>
7.- CE is a fork, but many people is not aware of it. I think the name is<BR>
not good for the community. In two senses:<BR>
a) There are people that are not aware of wich project is using, and we<BR>
receive bugs or questions that are mixed.<BR>
b) CE means Community Edition. This name is used in other projects when<BR>
there is a paid version and other free (as free beer), This is not true,<BR>
both are free. And of course, gvSIG has a strong community behind, so,<BR>
which Community is referring to...?<BR>
<BR>
In the commercial part, I have heard there are problems to explain to many<BR>
clients. It will be easy with different names, to show there are different<BR>
projects.<BR>
<BR>
Just a final thought: When we think in Software Libre, there are people<BR>
thinking in lots of developers, working by heart (unpaid). This is not true<BR>
most of the time. Lots of projects are maintained from a group of<BR>
developers (paid by companies) supporting the project, and earning money by<BR>
his work. I prefer this model, I like to work in SL full time.<BR>
And I think the companies and administrations using SL will be more<BR>
confident knowing there is a good support (wich means bussiness).<BR>
This is the model the Assoc. is defending. Our company is paying 8% of all<BR>
projects to Assoc., in order to keep the project strong, and to help those<BR>
unpleasant tasks done (hard testing, releasing a new version, meetings,<BR>
promotion, etc).<BR>
This model may or may not be wrong, but I think right now gvSIG is alive,<BR>
so... my respects to the people who has thought the model, and has spent<BR>
many nights worrying about that.<BR>
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Best regards, and interesting thread.... although a bit long, isn't it? ;-)<BR>
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Fran.<BR>
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2012/8/3 Fernando González <fergonco@gmail.com><BR>
<BR>
> > Can I invite you a geobeer on the next Geoinquietos Valencia meeting as<BR>
> > a compensation? :-)<BR>
><BR>
> Yeah for sure. But it will be me who'll invite you, for my continuous<BR>
> absences and lack of commitment lately ;)<BR>
><BR>
> Indeed I was not offended, but I wanted to state the fact that gvSIG<BR>
> CE is adding efforts. At least, Jose and Ben are working very hard and<BR>
> having a lot of success with gvSIG related projects. They are raising<BR>
> funding and investing it in the improvement of both gvSIG and gvSIG<BR>
> CE.<BR>
><BR>
> From my point of view, I don't like the role of the association in<BR>
> gvSIG. For me the association should support any positive gvSIG<BR>
> related action and in the case of gvSIG CE it is not. It results in an<BR>
> association that does not represent gvSIG community but that has its<BR>
> own interests on it.<BR>
><BR>
> Furthermore, the association DO has a strong weight in the community<BR>
> and it is not clear (at least for me) how it works internally. What<BR>
> consequences could happen if tomorrow someone with destructive<BR>
> interests takes a top post in the association? Well, if the<BR>
> association is independent from the community and has its own election<BR>
> processes I think it should not have such a strong influence in the<BR>
> community because otherwise, the project is not driven by the<BR>
> community.<BR>
><BR>
> Also, the fact that most of the people in the association is Spanish,<BR>
> and belong to the CIT or are clients of the CIT makes one wonder if<BR>
> some clientelism dynamics take place there. This is a very serious<BR>
> issue. I DO know clientelism dynamics took place when CIT had some<BR>
> money, not sure if now it's the case anymore, but I would bet on that.<BR>
><BR>
> For all this, currently I'm personally aligned with those that prefer<BR>
> to give the code to OSGEO instead of to the association. I signed the<BR>
> CLA because in the end, the code is what matters and developers try to<BR>
> do their best to collaborate, despite the guys that try to control the<BR>
> uncontrollable.<BR>
><BR>
> Hope these thoughts help to improve the project. Of course don't give<BR>
> them much importance, they are just my particular perceptions.<BR>
><BR>
> What I regret is that two efforts that improve gvSIG ecosystem do not<BR>
> talk more constructively. There are conflict resolving techniques but<BR>
> no one here seems to care about it.<BR>
><BR>
> Sad.<BR>
><BR>
> Wow, next 50 lines I write will be in Java...<BR>
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