[Gvsig_english] gv_sig and future on mac os

Thu Oct 21 19:35:46 CEST 2010

Hi Ben,

Sorry, but I do not think it's, in long term, a good news, like you  
said.  Maybe I'm to chicken but, the path for apple is to unify ios  
and macos.  Already flash is flush from ios and I won't be surprise if  
in two to five years it do so in macos.  So it's a risk that java from  
third party may also be flush in place of apple api to let the user  
have the mac integration.

Wait and see but, since mac is not and official supported version of  
gv_sig just and adaptation, gv_sig will follow it's path with window  
and linux and leave behind mac user who have choose to migrate to  
gv_sig...

I hope I'm totally out of the way... but... More than 25 years beeing  
mac user... I start understand the view behind some move apple make.

Maccel
Le 10-10-21 à 13:21, Benjamin Ducke a écrit :

> I concur. This is good news. It was horrible to have
> Apple mess with the Java standards and deploy Java
> as some sort of pimped up system service instead of
> a regular JVM. Good thing that's over. In the future,
> we can focus on shipping gvSIG with the OpenJDK port.
> GvSIG OADE on Mac OS X (10.6) is fully supported, as Chris
> says. It also includes GRASS GIS and we will continue
> to release Mac OS X versions along with Linux and Windows
> versions in the future. Get it here:
>
> http://oadigital.net/software/gvsigoade/gvsigdownload
>
> Make sure to read the Mac OS X specific sections in the
> installation manual and on our support pages here:
>
> http://oadigital.net/software/gvsigoade/gvsigbugs
>
> Have fun with gvSIG on Mac OS X!
>
> Ben
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Wow, the power that Mac has over its owners... Microsoft do not  
>> supply
>> a Microsoft JavaVM either. Nor do any of the Linux vendors supply a
>> Linux JavaVM. Apple not supplying one is not the end of the world.  
>> Nor
>> would it add any weight to reasons to use Apple - it seems likely  
>> that
>> eventually nothing cross-platform will be officially allowed on Apple
>> hardware; what then? Only use applications that people port to Apple
>> and charge you for their effort?
>>
>> BTW, gvSIG OA Digital Edition is tested for the Mac. Ironically that
>> will get easier once it is a standard JVM rather than an Apple  
>> tweaked
>> one...
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> Hi Rafa,
>>>
>>> Yes for the short term... but if you look at yesterday keynote, it
>>> look like apple will move away from java. No java program accepted
>>> in the mac store. Even if apple for now, allow developper to give
>>> their program in their site or others... that's a sign that in the
>>> next few
>>> years java have a big chance of following flash in the not allow
>>> solution in apple product.
>>>
>>> So I wasn't aware that gv_sig not officially supported on mac.. I
>>> was mistaken someware because I was sure of the contrary. It's
>>> unfortunate to ear that no multiplatform support for gv_sig.
>>>
>>> Good luck gv_sig team, but migration without longterm support is to
>>> risky ...
>>>
>>> Maccel
>>> Le 10-10-21 à 10:59, Rafa Gaitan a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Hi Maccel,
>>>>
>>>> On apple web page
>>>> (http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/
>>>> JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN/NewandNoteworthy/
>>>> NewandNoteworthy.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010380-CH4-SW1)
>>>> says:
>>>>
>>>> "As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version
>>>> of Java that is ported by Apple, and that ships with Mac OS X, is
>>>> deprecated.
>>>>
>>>> This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained
>>>> at the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac
>>>> OS X.
>>>> The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac
>>>> OS X 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained
>>>> through the standard support cycles of those products."
>>>>
>>>> That's it, Apple will not give support or default installations
>>>> for Java. We need to wait until Oracle says something, maybe they
>>>> will give the necessary support. Apple is not closing the
>>>> possibility of
>>>> a external installation of Java by Oracle (or maybe others).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway gvSIG is not officially supported on MacOSX, but we (gvSIG
>>>> 3D Team) are trying to release a new build soon with very nice
>>>> bugfixes based on gvSIG 1.10 + gvSIG 3D + Sextante with GDAL 1.7.2
>>>> + ECW +
>>>> SID.
>>>>
>>>> We have been working hard fixing some problems on 3D extension and
>>>> we hope get out the build soon for MacOSX and other platforms too.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Rafa.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/21 gmail <pvmstg at gmail.com>:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know it's not for tomorrow. But since all indications point to
>>>>> the end of java program support on mac, do the fact that gv_sig
>>>>> is all java point to a dead end? Or at least a program working
>>>>> non natively only by hacking support of java (wich is not the
>>>>> best way
>>>>> to do)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maccel
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>>>>
>>>> -- Rafael Gaitán Linares
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