[Gvsig_english] 3D Extension. CALL FOR TESTING
Jordi Torres
jtorresfabra at gmail.com
Thu Jan 13 16:23:23 CET 2011
Hi Ben,
It typically should be /usr/lib/libGL.so, but it is usually a link to the
actual libGL.so in some other place. In Nvidia drivers this link is detected
doing nothing in the script. In the opposite Mesa and Ati drivers are not
correctly detected by the jvm machine beacuse of dynamic library loading. I
wrote a post time ago in the blog, but is in spanish :(... Thats the reason
why we wrote this lines in the gvSIG.sh script.
So try to find all the instances of libGL.so you have in your /usr/lib/*.
Thank you (and all the other guys) very much for spend your time testing
this.
Cheers.
2011/1/13 Benjamin Ducke <benjamin.ducke at oxfordarch.co.uk>
> No, I installed the AMD drivers brute force, and it would
> be a lot of work switching between drivers now. But I will
> test on another Linux system with an Intel chipset.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Did you test without the Catalyst drivers just for fun?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Well, I tried it on Ubuntu 10.04 32 but, with an ATI card but
> > > it crashes. gvSIG starts up and initializes all the way to when
> > > the Andami main window appears, but then I get this on the console:
> > >
> > > [..]
> > > DEBUG [AWT-EventQueue-1] (NewSkin.java:413) - Activando Project
> > > manager DEBUG [AWT-EventQueue-1] (MDIFrame.java:1224) - Memory usage
> > > 70997 KB
> > > #
> > > # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:
> > > # # SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x8b78e057, pid=10698, tid=2394958704
> > > # # JRE version: 6.0_20-b02
> > > # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (16.3-b01 mixed mode linux-x86
> > > )
> > > # Problematic frame:
> > > # C [libstdc++.so.6+0xbc057] _ZSt18uncaught_exceptionv+0x17
> > > #
> > > # An error report file with more information is saved as:
> > > # /home/benni/gvSIG_1.10/bin/hs_err_pid10534.log
> > > #
> > > # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:
> > > # http://java.sun.com/webapps/bugreport/crash.jsp
> > > # The crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native
> > > code. # See problematic frame for where to report the bug.
> > > # Aborted
> > >
> > > Obviously, it's a problem with a C++ library, perhaps one of the
> > > OSG libraries having trouble with my ATI drivers?
> > >
> > > I have tested this with gvSIG 1.10, using both its bundled JRE
> > > and a separate installation of JRE 1.6, both with the same results.
> > >
> > > The gvSIG.sh startup script failed to detect my driver's GL
> > > library. On my system, they are in /usr/lib/libGL.so*
> > > (AMD Catalyst binary only drivers).
> > > So I manually fixed up gvSIG.sh, but still no luck.
> > >
> > > I have attached all the log files and also the glxinfo diagnostics.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > Hi Ben,
> > > >
> > > > He He, We have scheduled it for the 1st of February, so, don't
> > > > worry!
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2011/1/13 Benjamin Ducke < benjamin.ducke at oxfordarch.co.uk >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jordi,
> > > >
> > > > Please wait at least until the end of this month with RC1 if you
> > > > can. The beginning of the year is usually a very busy period, and
> > > > people might simply not have had the time to test and report
> > > > back yet (including me).
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > HI NIcklas,
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you finally saw a 3D view? Can you tell us how the
> > > > > performance was with your fglrx drivers?
> > > > >
> > > > > We are a bit desencouraged about the call for testing, because
> > > > > nobody said directly that the test was succesful.
> > > > > If any other on the list have tested 3D with or without success,
> > > > > please answer to this thread, is the way to fix the problems or
> > > > > to see some feedback from the community. If no body reports
> > > > > major problems we
> > > > > will go for RC1 next weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your screenshots are wellcome!
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/1/10 Jordi Torres < jtorresfabra at gmail.com >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Nicklas,
> > > > >
> > > > > Great to hear this!! You are the first which have working 3D
> > > > > extension in linux and fglrx driver!! Feel free to send a patch
> > > > > and become a
> > > > > contributor to gvSIG 3D. Here you have the instructions[1]. If
> > > > > you don't have enough time I will do the job for the next
> > > > > release (RC1) and you will be a contributor anyway :) .
> > > > >
> > > > > About PostGIS in the gvSIG code sprint[2] many bugs were fixes.
> > > > > Maybe you can use a translator, the web is in spanish. Anyway
> > > > > other people in the community can speak about postGis better
> > > > > than me... Hope they
> > > > > read this thread.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are a bit curious about performance with fglrx drivers. How
> > > > > it goes? Letter 's' toggles the statistics in a 3D view.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers, and good work!
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> https://gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/devel/gvsig-devel-guide/2.0.0/anexos/contribuciones-y-parches-al-codigo-de-gvsig/contributions-and-patches-to-the-gvsig-code/view?set_language=en
> > > > > [2] http://www.doowikis.com/m/Jy3H1rZ7AP
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/1/10 Nicklas Avén < nicklas.aven at jordogskog.no >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hallo again
> > > > >
> > > > > I had it working. First I tried:
> > > > >
> > > > > pathtoGL=$(find /usr/lib/fglrx -iname libGL.so.1);
> > > > >
> > > > > then it found libGL.so.1 but couldn't load it.
> > > > >
> > > > > But when I changed to
> > > > >
> > > > > pathtoGL=$(find /usr/lib32/fglrx -iname libGL.so.1);
> > > > >
> > > > > it works.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now it is just that issue that I don't get the Z-values from
> > > > > PostGIS.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that patch available? Is it difficult to compile. As I
> > > > > understood it the bug is not in the 3D-extension but in the
> > > > > desktop application?
> > > > >
> > > > > Then I found another issue:
> > > > > At least in the 3D-extension, I haven't tried the 2D view, If I
> > > > > load a PostGIS table that table gets locked. Even after I have
> > > > > deleted it
> > > > > from the view I can't drop it in PostGIS.
> > > > >
> > > > > There must be some sort of locking left also efter removing the
> > > > > table from gvSIG.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Nicklas
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 14:09 +0100, Jordi Torres wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Nicklas,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think you will have to convert your polyhedralsurfaces to
> > > > > > polygons, but you can test anyway...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am waiting eagerly for this screenshots!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2011/1/10 Nicklas Avén < nicklas.aven at jordogskog.no >
> > > > > > Great!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks both of you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will get back with some nice screenshots of ST_3DShortesline
> > > > > > on polyhedralsurfaces when I get some extra time and things
> > > > > > are running.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW, will the 3D extension understand the geometry type
> > > > > > polyhedralsurface or do I have to use ST_Dump to get a bunch
> > > > > > of 3D
> > > > > > polygons instead?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks again
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nicklas
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 13:37 +0100, Jordi Torres wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Nicklas,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With no doubt the best cards to use with linux are NVIDIA
> > > > > > one's. Their
> > > > > > > private drivers runs like a charm in linux machines. And
> > > > > > they are a
> > > > > > > couple of steps advanced with respect to ATI, at least in
> > > > > > linux...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The problem you are experiencing is that gvSIG 3D can't find
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > libGL.so.1 implementation (usually in /usr/lib/ ). It has
> > > > > > been fixed
> > > > > > > for Mesa drivers, but not for ATI private drivers. You can
> > > > > > take a look
> > > > > > > in the script gvSIG.sh to see what we do with mesa drivers
> > > > > > and try to
> > > > > > > do something similar. Or you can, of course, wait for RC1
> > > > > > version.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As ben recommended, take a look to phoronix, and compare
> > > > > > chipsets and
> > > > > > > drivers.... :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2011/1/10 Nicklas Avén < nicklas.aven at jordogskog.no >
> > > > > > > Here it comes :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 13:27 +0100, Jordi Torres
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Nicklas,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can you send the
> > > > > > > > file
> > > > > > /home/nicklas/gvSIG_1.10/bin/hs_err_pid6059.log ? This
> > > > > > > file
> > > > > > > > contains the log for the native crash.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As Benjamin said, ATI 3D support in linux have
> > > > > > been
> > > > > > > problematic for a
> > > > > > > > long time. Anyway we know we have a problem with
> > > > > > ati cards
> > > > > > > in linux
> > > > > > > > and private drivers. We will do our best to fix it
> > > > > > for RC1
> > > > > > > version.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2011/1/10 Nicklas Avén
> > > > > > < nicklas.aven at jordogskog.no >
> > > > > > > > I have had some problems seeing the
> > > > > > beginning of the
> > > > > > > startup
> > > > > > > > of gcSIG
> > > > > > > > since it was too long to be scrollable in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > terminal. But
> > > > > > > > now I
> > > > > > > > outputted it to file and I am not sure it
> > > > > > is about
> > > > > > > the video
> > > > > > > > card.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I attach both glxint and the output of the
> > > > > > gvSIG
> > > > > > > start that
> > > > > > > > ends with a
> > > > > > > > crash
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When I installed I tried to just follow
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > instructions which
> > > > > > > > resulted
> > > > > > > > in two folders in my home directory:
> > > > > > > > gvSIG and gvSIG_1.10
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > to start I have to manually kick on script
> > > > > > gvSIG-sh
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > bin-directory under gvSIG_1.10
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nicklas
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > here comes glxinfo output as attachment.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My system is Ubuntu 10.4 64 bit
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have had some problems getting the error
> > > > > > text. I
> > > > > > > cannot find
> > > > > > > > it in ant
> > > > > > > > log and the text is so long so the start
> > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > actual
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 12:58 +0100, Jordi
> > > > > > Torres
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Nicklas,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > About PostGis tables giving 2D
> > > > > > geometries is a bug
> > > > > > > that have
> > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > tracked and a fixed[1]. The fix (a patch
> > > > > > submitted
> > > > > > > by Jose
> > > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > > > > Martínez from UPV) are not in the svn
> > > > > > yet, is
> > > > > > > waiting to be
> > > > > > > > assigned
> > > > > > > > > and merged. We hope it will be merged
> > > > > > for gvSIG
> > > > > > > 1.11
> > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With respect to your ATI card: are you
> > > > > > using
> > > > > > > driver Mesa or
> > > > > > > > fglrx? Can
> > > > > > > > > you send to the list a glxinfo output
> > > > > > please?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for test the 3D extension!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2011/1/10 Nicklas Avén
> > > > > > > < nicklas.aven at jordogskog.no >
> > > > > > > > > Hallo
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Actually I started trying some
> > > > > > the last
> > > > > > > week without
> > > > > > > > knowing
> > > > > > > > > it was that
> > > > > > > > > new :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What I have tried is against
> > > > > > PostGIS in an
> > > > > > > attempt
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > visualize the new
> > > > > > > > > polyhedral surface and 3D
> > > > > > distance
> > > > > > > functions in the
> > > > > > > > trunk
> > > > > > > > > comming in
> > > > > > > > > PostGIS 2.0.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In Ubuntu gvSIG crashes when I
> > > > > > have the
> > > > > > > extension
> > > > > > > > installed. I
> > > > > > > > > translated some spanish post
> > > > > > with google
> > > > > > > on the
> > > > > > > > subject and I
> > > > > > > > > guess it
> > > > > > > > > is a problem with my ATI-card.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > symptoms looked
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > similar. Is
> > > > > > > > > there a solution for that?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In windows I had some other
> > > > > > trouble. When
> > > > > > > I had
> > > > > > > > defined and
> > > > > > > > > opened a 3D
> > > > > > > > > view I could open a PostGIS
> > > > > > table, but I
> > > > > > > didn't get
> > > > > > > > the third
> > > > > > > > > dimmension. Properties said that
> > > > > > it was a
> > > > > > > 2d
> > > > > > > > polygon. I guess
> > > > > > > > > that can
> > > > > > > > > be a JDBC-problem. But I don't
> > > > > > know enough
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > that to say
> > > > > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Another problem on windows was
> > > > > > that when I
> > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > loaded my
> > > > > > > > > postgis table
> > > > > > > > > the cpu went wild. some
> > > > > > java-process took
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > recourses.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > All this was maybe a week ago.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But I saw the idea, and it
> > > > > > looked
> > > > > > > great :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > Nicklas Avén
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 12:02
> > > > > > +0100, Jordi
> > > > > > > Torres
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi gvSIG users!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As many of you already know,
> > > > > > the gvSIG
> > > > > > > 3D team is
> > > > > > > > working
> > > > > > > > > hard to get
> > > > > > > > > > a final version of the 3D
> > > > > > extension.
> > > > > > > During
> > > > > > > > christmas
> > > > > > > > > hollydays a beta
> > > > > > > > > > version have been released.
> > > > > > After this
> > > > > > > version we
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > create
> > > > > > > > > > consecutives RC (release
> > > > > > candidates)
> > > > > > > fixing the
> > > > > > > > bugs
> > > > > > > > > detected to
> > > > > > > > > > arrive to the final release.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We are specially interested in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > testing and
> > > > > > > > > feedback,
> > > > > > > > > > because the proper functioning
> > > > > > of this
> > > > > > > extension
> > > > > > > > depends on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > hardware and drivers used. Our
> > > > > > target is
> > > > > > > to detect
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > maximum number
> > > > > > > > > > of bugs, and which
> > > > > > configurations are
> > > > > > > working
> > > > > > > > well/bad to
> > > > > > > > > fix these
> > > > > > > > > > problems in the RC1 version.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We recommend to take a look to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > minimum
> > > > > > > > requirements[1]
> > > > > > > > > before to
> > > > > > > > > > install the 3D extension[2],
> > > > > > and do it
> > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > separate gvSIG
> > > > > > > > > 1.10 final
> > > > > > > > > > installation. All your
> > > > > > comments,
> > > > > > > suggestions and
> > > > > > > > bug reports
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > wellcome. You can write to
> > > > > > gvSIG
> > > > > > > distribution
> > > > > > > > lists or to
> > > > > > > > > the gvSIG 3D
> > > > > > > > > > blog[3], where you can find
> > > > > > > videotutorials and use
> > > > > > > > examples.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much in
> > > > > > advance!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > >
> https://gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/official/gvsig-1.10/extensiones-gvsig-1.10/extension-3d/system-requirements/view?set_language=en
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > [2]
> > > > > >
> https://gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/official/gvsig-1.10/extensiones-gvsig-1.10/extension-3d/downloads
> > > > > > > > > > [3] http://gvsig3d.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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