[Gvsig_english] 3D Extension. CALL FOR TESTING

Thu Jan 13 19:43:14 CET 2011

ls -lh /usr/lib/libGL.so

says this:

/usr/lib/libGL.so -> /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2

There are no other GL libraries in /usr/lib

So that should be OK I think? In that location, the
library should be loaded without problems.
But even if I change $pathtoGL to point to the library
above, then gvSIG still crashes in the same way I reported before.

In the meantime I have also tried this on an older (2004)
laptop with an Intel on-board grapics chip and on that machine
it worked -- but of course far too slow to be usable.

Ben

----- Original Message -----
> Hi Ben,
> 
> It typically should be /usr/lib/libGL.so, but it is usually a link to
> the actual libGL.so in some other place. In Nvidia drivers this link
> is detected doing nothing in the script. In the opposite Mesa and Ati
> drivers are not correctly detected by the jvm machine beacuse of
> dynamic library loading. I wrote a post time ago in the blog, but is
> in spanish :(... Thats the reason why we wrote this lines in the
> gvSIG.sh script.
> 
> So try to find all the instances of libGL.so you have in your
> /usr/lib/*.
> 
> Thank you (and all the other guys) very much for spend your time
> testing this.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/1/13 Benjamin Ducke < benjamin.ducke at oxfordarch.co.uk >
> 
> 
> No, I installed the AMD drivers brute force, and it would
> be a lot of work switching between drivers now. But I will
> test on another Linux system with an Intel chipset.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Did you test without the Catalyst drivers just for fun?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Well, I tried it on Ubuntu 10.04 32 but, with an ATI card but
> > > it crashes. gvSIG starts up and initializes all the way to when
> > > the Andami main window appears, but then I get this on the
> > > console:
> > >
> > > [..]
> > > DEBUG [AWT-EventQueue-1] (NewSkin.java:413) - Activando Project
> > > manager DEBUG [AWT-EventQueue-1] (MDIFrame.java:1224) - Memory
> > > usage 70997 KB
> > > #
> > > # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:
> > > # # SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x8b78e057, pid=10698, tid=2394958704
> > > # # JRE version: 6.0_20-b02
> > > # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (16.3-b01 mixed mode
> > > linux-x86 )
> > > # Problematic frame:
> > > # C [libstdc++.so.6+0xbc057] _ZSt18uncaught_exceptionv+0x17
> > > #
> > > # An error report file with more information is saved as:
> > > # /home/benni/gvSIG_1.10/bin/hs_err_pid10534.log
> > > #
> > > # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:
> > > # http://java.sun.com/webapps/bugreport/crash.jsp
> > > # The crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native
> > > code. # See problematic frame for where to report the bug.
> > > # Aborted
> > >
> > > Obviously, it's a problem with a C++ library, perhaps one of the
> > > OSG libraries having trouble with my ATI drivers?
> > >
> > > I have tested this with gvSIG 1.10, using both its bundled JRE
> > > and a separate installation of JRE 1.6, both with the same
> > > results.
> > >
> > > The gvSIG.sh startup script failed to detect my driver's GL
> > > library. On my system, they are in /usr/lib/libGL.so*
> > > (AMD Catalyst binary only drivers).
> > > So I manually fixed up gvSIG.sh, but still no luck.
> > >
> > > I have attached all the log files and also the glxinfo
> > > diagnostics.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > Hi Ben,
> > > >
> > > > He He, We have scheduled it for the 1st of February, so, don't
> > > > worry!
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2011/1/13 Benjamin Ducke < benjamin.ducke at oxfordarch.co.uk >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jordi,
> > > >
> > > > Please wait at least until the end of this month with RC1 if you
> > > > can. The beginning of the year is usually a very busy period,
> > > > and people might simply not have had the time to test and report
> > > > back yet (including me).
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > HI NIcklas,
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you finally saw a 3D view? Can you tell us how the
> > > > > performance was with your fglrx drivers?
> > > > >
> > > > > We are a bit desencouraged about the call for testing, because
> > > > > nobody said directly that the test was succesful.
> > > > > If any other on the list have tested 3D with or without
> > > > > success, please answer to this thread, is the way to fix the
> > > > > problems or
> > > > > to see some feedback from the community. If no body reports
> > > > > major problems we
> > > > > will go for RC1 next weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your screenshots are wellcome!
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/1/10 Jordi Torres < jtorresfabra at gmail.com >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Nicklas,
> > > > >
> > > > > Great to hear this!! You are the first which have working 3D
> > > > > extension in linux and fglrx driver!! Feel free to send a
> > > > > patch and become a
> > > > > contributor to gvSIG 3D. Here you have the instructions[1]. If
> > > > > you don't have enough time I will do the job for the next
> > > > > release (RC1) and you will be a contributor anyway :) .
> > > > >
> > > > > About PostGIS in the gvSIG code sprint[2] many bugs were
> > > > > fixes. Maybe you can use a translator, the web is in spanish.
> > > > > Anyway other people in the community can speak about postGis
> > > > > better than me... Hope they
> > > > > read this thread.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are a bit curious about performance with fglrx drivers. How
> > > > > it goes? Letter 's' toggles the statistics in a 3D view.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers, and good work!
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > > https://gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/devel/gvsig-devel-guide/2.0.0/anexos/contribuciones-y-parches-al-codigo-de-gvsig/contributions-and-patches-to-the-gvsig-code/view?set_language=en
> > > > > [2] http://www.doowikis.com/m/Jy3H1rZ7AP
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/1/10 Nicklas Avén < nicklas.aven at jordogskog.no >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hallo again
> > > > >
> > > > > I had it working. First I tried:
> > > > >
> > > > > pathtoGL=$(find /usr/lib/fglrx -iname libGL.so.1);
> > > > >
> > > > > then it found libGL.so.1 but couldn't load it.
> > > > >
> > > > > But when I changed to
> > > > >
> > > > > pathtoGL=$(find /usr/lib32/fglrx -iname libGL.so.1);
> > > > >
> > > > > it works.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now it is just that issue that I don't get the Z-values from
> > > > > PostGIS.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that patch available? Is it difficult to compile. As I
> > > > > understood it the bug is not in the 3D-extension but in the
> > > > > desktop application?
> > > > >
> > > > > Then I found another issue:
> > > > > At least in the 3D-extension, I haven't tried the 2D view, If
> > > > > I load a PostGIS table that table gets locked. Even after I
> > > > > have deleted it
> > > > > from the view I can't drop it in PostGIS.
> > > > >
> > > > > There must be some sort of locking left also efter removing
> > > > > the table from gvSIG.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Nicklas
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 14:09 +0100, Jordi Torres wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Nicklas,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think you will have to convert your polyhedralsurfaces to
> > > > > > polygons, but you can test anyway...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am waiting eagerly for this screenshots!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2011/1/10 Nicklas Avén < nicklas.aven at jordogskog.no >
> > > > > > Great!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks both of you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will get back with some nice screenshots of
> > > > > > ST_3DShortesline on polyhedralsurfaces when I get some extra
> > > > > > time and things
> > > > > > are running.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW, will the 3D extension understand the geometry type
> > > > > > polyhedralsurface or do I have to use ST_Dump to get a bunch
> > > > > > of 3D
> > > > > > polygons instead?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks again
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nicklas
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 13:37 +0100, Jordi Torres wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Nicklas,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With no doubt the best cards to use with linux are NVIDIA
> > > > > > one's. Their
> > > > > > > private drivers runs like a charm in linux machines. And
> > > > > > they are a
> > > > > > > couple of steps advanced with respect to ATI, at least in
> > > > > > linux...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The problem you are experiencing is that gvSIG 3D can't
> > > > > > > find
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > libGL.so.1 implementation (usually in /usr/lib/ ). It has
> > > > > > been fixed
> > > > > > > for Mesa drivers, but not for ATI private drivers. You can
> > > > > > take a look
> > > > > > > in the script gvSIG.sh to see what we do with mesa drivers
> > > > > > and try to
> > > > > > > do something similar. Or you can, of course, wait for RC1
> > > > > > version.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As ben recommended, take a look to phoronix, and compare
> > > > > > chipsets and
> > > > > > > drivers.... :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2011/1/10 Nicklas Avén < nicklas.aven at jordogskog.no >
> > > > > > > Here it comes :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 13:27 +0100, Jordi Torres
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Nicklas,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can you send the
> > > > > > > > file
> > > > > > /home/nicklas/gvSIG_1.10/bin/hs_err_pid6059.log ? This
> > > > > > > file
> > > > > > > > contains the log for the native crash.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As Benjamin said, ATI 3D support in linux have
> > > > > > been
> > > > > > > problematic for a
> > > > > > > > long time. Anyway we know we have a problem with
> > > > > > ati cards
> > > > > > > in linux
> > > > > > > > and private drivers. We will do our best to fix it
> > > > > > for RC1
> > > > > > > version.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2011/1/10 Nicklas Avén
> > > > > > < nicklas.aven at jordogskog.no >
> > > > > > > > I have had some problems seeing the
> > > > > > beginning of the
> > > > > > > startup
> > > > > > > > of gcSIG
> > > > > > > > since it was too long to be scrollable in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > terminal. But
> > > > > > > > now I
> > > > > > > > outputted it to file and I am not sure it
> > > > > > is about
> > > > > > > the video
> > > > > > > > card.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I attach both glxint and the output of the
> > > > > > gvSIG
> > > > > > > start that
> > > > > > > > ends with a
> > > > > > > > crash
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When I installed I tried to just follow
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > instructions which
> > > > > > > > resulted
> > > > > > > > in two folders in my home directory:
> > > > > > > > gvSIG and gvSIG_1.10
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > to start I have to manually kick on script
> > > > > > gvSIG-sh
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > bin-directory under gvSIG_1.10
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nicklas
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > here comes glxinfo output as attachment.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My system is Ubuntu 10.4 64 bit
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have had some problems getting the error
> > > > > > text. I
> > > > > > > cannot find
> > > > > > > > it in ant
> > > > > > > > log and the text is so long so the start
> > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > actual
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 12:58 +0100, Jordi
> > > > > > Torres
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Nicklas,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > About PostGis tables giving 2D
> > > > > > geometries is a bug
> > > > > > > that have
> > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > tracked and a fixed[1]. The fix (a patch
> > > > > > submitted
> > > > > > > by Jose
> > > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > > > > Martínez from UPV) are not in the svn
> > > > > > yet, is
> > > > > > > waiting to be
> > > > > > > > assigned
> > > > > > > > > and merged. We hope it will be merged
> > > > > > for gvSIG
> > > > > > > 1.11
> > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With respect to your ATI card: are you
> > > > > > using
> > > > > > > driver Mesa or
> > > > > > > > fglrx? Can
> > > > > > > > > you send to the list a glxinfo output
> > > > > > please?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for test the 3D extension!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2011/1/10 Nicklas Avén
> > > > > > > < nicklas.aven at jordogskog.no >
> > > > > > > > > Hallo
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Actually I started trying some
> > > > > > the last
> > > > > > > week without
> > > > > > > > knowing
> > > > > > > > > it was that
> > > > > > > > > new :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What I have tried is against
> > > > > > PostGIS in an
> > > > > > > attempt
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > visualize the new
> > > > > > > > > polyhedral surface and 3D
> > > > > > distance
> > > > > > > functions in the
> > > > > > > > trunk
> > > > > > > > > comming in
> > > > > > > > > PostGIS 2.0.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In Ubuntu gvSIG crashes when I
> > > > > > have the
> > > > > > > extension
> > > > > > > > installed. I
> > > > > > > > > translated some spanish post
> > > > > > with google
> > > > > > > on the
> > > > > > > > subject and I
> > > > > > > > > guess it
> > > > > > > > > is a problem with my ATI-card.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > symptoms looked
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > similar. Is
> > > > > > > > > there a solution for that?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In windows I had some other
> > > > > > trouble. When
> > > > > > > I had
> > > > > > > > defined and
> > > > > > > > > opened a 3D
> > > > > > > > > view I could open a PostGIS
> > > > > > table, but I
> > > > > > > didn't get
> > > > > > > > the third
> > > > > > > > > dimmension. Properties said that
> > > > > > it was a
> > > > > > > 2d
> > > > > > > > polygon. I guess
> > > > > > > > > that can
> > > > > > > > > be a JDBC-problem. But I don't
> > > > > > know enough
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > that to say
> > > > > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Another problem on windows was
> > > > > > that when I
> > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > loaded my
> > > > > > > > > postgis table
> > > > > > > > > the cpu went wild. some
> > > > > > java-process took
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > recourses.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > All this was maybe a week ago.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But I saw the idea, and it
> > > > > > looked
> > > > > > > great :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > Nicklas Avén
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 12:02
> > > > > > +0100, Jordi
> > > > > > > Torres
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi gvSIG users!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As many of you already know,
> > > > > > the gvSIG
> > > > > > > 3D team is
> > > > > > > > working
> > > > > > > > > hard to get
> > > > > > > > > > a final version of the 3D
> > > > > > extension.
> > > > > > > During
> > > > > > > > christmas
> > > > > > > > > hollydays a beta
> > > > > > > > > > version have been released.
> > > > > > After this
> > > > > > > version we
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > create
> > > > > > > > > > consecutives RC (release
> > > > > > candidates)
> > > > > > > fixing the
> > > > > > > > bugs
> > > > > > > > > detected to
> > > > > > > > > > arrive to the final release.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We are specially interested in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > testing and
> > > > > > > > > feedback,
> > > > > > > > > > because the proper functioning
> > > > > > of this
> > > > > > > extension
> > > > > > > > depends on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > hardware and drivers used. Our
> > > > > > target is
> > > > > > > to detect
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > maximum number
> > > > > > > > > > of bugs, and which
> > > > > > configurations are
> > > > > > > working
> > > > > > > > well/bad to
> > > > > > > > > fix these
> > > > > > > > > > problems in the RC1 version.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We recommend to take a look to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > minimum
> > > > > > > > requirements[1]
> > > > > > > > > before to
> > > > > > > > > > install the 3D extension[2],
> > > > > > and do it
> > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > separate gvSIG
> > > > > > > > > 1.10 final
> > > > > > > > > > installation. All your
> > > > > > comments,
> > > > > > > suggestions and
> > > > > > > > bug reports
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > wellcome. You can write to
> > > > > > gvSIG
> > > > > > > distribution
> > > > > > > > lists or to
> > > > > > > > > the gvSIG 3D
> > > > > > > > > > blog[3], where you can find
> > > > > > > videotutorials and use
> > > > > > > > examples.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much in
> > > > > > advance!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > https://gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/official/gvsig-1.10/extensiones-gvsig-1.10/extension-3d/system-requirements/view?set_language=en
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > https://gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/official/gvsig-1.10/extensiones-gvsig-1.10/extension-3d/downloads
> > > > > > > > > > [3] http://gvsig3d.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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