[Gvsig_english] Query on why gvSIG CE came about

Thu Jun 30 14:03:39 CEST 2011

> 
> In this moment i don't really understand how gvSIG (the application)
> will be improved by the fork, will you contribute in any way to
> official application?
> 

Naturally, gvSIG CE is under the GPL License, so as with every
open source project, everyone is free to take what they want
and benefit from it.

As far as direct contributions to the gvSIG SVN are concerned:
I for one have no intentions to sign a CLA and no time resources
to go through lengthy "stabilization" procedures. I also refuse
to work according to rules that are decided by a TSC instead
of the community. And I don't like a strictly hierarchical
decision making process about what goes into the SVN and what
stays out. All of that makes me feel like I am just doing unpaid
bug fixing jobs for someone else and that's not how open source 
works in my view.

But of course, if other contributors to gvSIG CE have no problems
with the above, they might make more direct contributions. That's
for everyone to decide individually. In an open source project,
Nobody owes anything to anybody else, and nobody is obliged to
anything, except conform with the open source license terms.
-- that's the beauty of it.

Best,

Ben

> best!
> 
> El día 30 de junio de 2011 11:27, Amelia Del Rey Pérez
> <adelrey at prodevelop.es> escribió:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I total agree with Nacho and I would like to give my point of view
> > of the
> > “language aspect of the project”.
> >
> > As all of us know the origin of gvSIG was to resolve a local need of
> > a Spanish Public Administration where all the documentation was in
> > Spanish. gvSIG has growth a lot and it has become in to an
> > international project, and
> > because of that the project has been translated not only into
> > English but
> > other languages, thank you to the big effort of the translators all
> > over the
> > world.
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course to have gvSIG well documented in will help us to spread
> > the project and also to have more gvSIG Community (users and
> > developers) involved in the development of the project.
> >
> > We are on the right way to get it, because, thank you to the CGS of
> > Nottingham (Honorary Members of the gvSIG Association) , we have
> > been participated at OSGIS 20011 (UK) with another gvSIG’s Day (this
> > one is the
> > second celebrated there) [1], in order to build a gvSIG Community
> > there how
> > could help us to deal with.
> >
> >
> >
> > In this occasion, although the the gvSIG’s Day was held at the same
> > time as
> > the main conference, we had 30 attendees not only to the
> > technological sessions but also to the workshop in the evening about
> > the project, gvSIG
> > Association, Communities and how to collaborate with the project.
> > They were
> > really interested about the organization of the project on all of
> > its aspects (, and we provide them all the information the
> > economical aspects of
> > the projects, what we call “gvSIG Business Model”. We put all the
> > links and
> > English documentation in hands of the OS UK Community.
> >
> > By the way, in order to be “open” we are collaborating as well with
> > the ELOGeo Project (An e-Learning Framework for Using Geospatial
> > Open Data, Open
> > Source and Open Standards) [2]. We hope to plant the seed to set up
> > an UK
> > gvSIG Community there, without the need of creating a fork to
> > improve the
> > “English aspect” of the project.
> >
> > Best regards!!
> >
> > Amelia del Rey
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] http://cgs.nottingham.ac.uk/~osgis11/gvSIGDay.pdf
> >
> > [2] http://elogeo.nottingham.ac.uk/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > De: gvsig_internacional-bounces at listserv.gva.es
> > [mailto:gvsig_internacional-bounces at listserv.gva.es] En nombre de
> > Nacho Uve
> > Enviado el: miércoles, 29 de junio de 2011 14:12
> > Para: Users and Developers mailing list
> > Asunto: Re: [Gvsig_english] Query on why gvSIG CE came about
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > There are some substantial differences between all initiatives you
> > mentioned. AFAIK, none of them has the characteristics, intentions
> > and actions performed in parallel like CE propose to do.
> >
> > In my HUMBLE opinion, CE is not integrating contributors for gvSIG
> > project. Noting the progress of the initiative, CE don't want
> > participate and follow
> > some simple rules of gvSIG (documentation, check patches for
> > core-developers (soon... maintainer and reviewers), user
> > gvSIG-devel-list to coordinate
> > changes, etc...) and decide on a personal and totally independent
> > way about
> > the future of the software. So, it is a fork.
> >
> > I insist. There are no reason for a fork in the way gvSIG is open to
> > change things, improve procedures, etc... The use of English is not
> > an excuse. Here
> > we are talking in English (in my case, trying to speak in english :P
> > ).
> >
> > Having said that, I find only one sense to CE inside gvSIG project.
> > It is
> > think about CE like a group of people with freedom and independence,
> > auto-organization, etc.. who develop components (such NavTable...),
> > work together on some aspects (GUI, usability, fixing bugs),
> > proposing changes,
> > etc... After that they communicate all that to gvSIG project and try
> > to integrating that.
> >
> > So, please... If the CE really intends to integrate resources and
> > collaborate with gvSIG, it should share tools (mailing lists,
> > bug-tracker, etc.), make direct proposals for changes, work
> > together, etc. That's the
> > way...
> >
> > Please, think about it.
> >
> >  :-)
> >
> > Regards!!!
> > Nacho V.
> >
> >
> > El 29 de junio de 2011 09:02, José Antonio Canalejo Alonso
> > <jacanalejo at yahoo.es> escribió:
> >
> > I really like the Name: gvSIG Community Edition. It is a very good
> > one. Most
> > of the people in gvSIG CE Team have been working hard to make gvSIG
> > more international. They brought also new functionalities and
> > funding to the
> > official project. They are also members of gvSIG but they aren't in
> > the gvSIG Association. They are not being promoted with the project.
> > Let's talk in gvSIG terms:
> > - gvSIG= official project
> > - gvSIG Mini= unofficial gvSIG project
> > - gvSIG mobile=official project
> > - gvSIG EIEL= proyecto official sectorial
> > - gvSIG carreteras= gvSIG application (probably) official
> > - gvSIG Fonsagua=gvSIG application
> > - NavTable=official extension of gvSIG
> > - gvSIG Sensor=official project
> > - official Communities: Argentina, Brasil, Rusia, Uruguay
> > - andere Communities: are they "unofficial"? are they only
> > communities? - official events: organized with the gvSIG Association
> > (http://www.gvsig.org/web/community/events/general-proced/). -
> > andere gvSIG events: are they "unofficial"? It seems these events
> > are not
> > being promoted with the project
> > (http://www.gvsig.org/web/community/events/other_events_list/)??
> > That's not
> > good! :) Next week there is an important one (http://www.agit.at/)
> > - etc (there are more gvSIG projects,...)
> > Why do not add gvSIG Community Edition to this list? You can maybe
> > define this project like an unofficial one or like gvSIG CE, trying
> > to make gvSIG
> > more international. We don't want to divide but to integrate:
> > english is the
> > right language for that.
> > gvSIG CE will help to integrate contributors to gvSIG and that will
> > also be
> > positiv for the official project.
> > If we change the name, maybe it seems something similar like
> > LibreOffice and
> > OpenOffice. I think, we shouldn't change it, we're also gvSIG :)
> > Best Regards
> > José
> 
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