[Gvsig_english] gvSIG and Java on Mac OS X

Mijail hmijail at gmail.com
Sun Oct 19 15:16:54 CEST 2008 

Just popped in to say that NX (server) is not available in OS X.  
However, VNC is, and a server is in fact installed by default with  
10.5 (though it's called Apple Remote Desktop ;P).


El 19/10/2008, a las 13:43, Benjamin Ducke escribió:

> Hi Agustin,
>
> good to hear all that work is useful for other people, too ;)
> I have no problem with you sharing this with whoever else.
>
> I never though about the remote-login advantage of an X11-based
> version, but that certainly is a strong point in favour of it
> (particularly for SEXTANTE geoprocessing).
>
> Instead of using "raw" X11, however, you should *definitely*
> install the (free version of) NoMachine NX server on your
> office machine and an NX client on your laptop. Using that
> for remote work will dramatically increase responsiveness
> of the UI!
>
> SoyLatte seems to come with a somewhat weird Java
> license at the moment. I have not really looked into it too
> much, but it's not GPL'd software.
> So for now, we should make people aware of these conditions.
>
> Sometime next week (or perhaps a bit later, depending on how
> much time I have available for this), I will create an installer
> software for this version and that will come with the appropriate
> license bundled.
>
> We will then host the thing on our oadigital.net pages.
>
> Ben
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Agustin Diez Castillo" <Agustin.Diez at uv.es>
> To: "gvsig internacional" <gvsig_internacional at runas.cap.gva.es>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:38:34 AM (GMT) Europe/London
> Subject: Re: [Gvsig_english] gvSIG and Java on Mac OS X
>
> Hoooorray
> Ben's bundle + script works here. What I did:
> I downloaded soylatte [1], ben's bundle and ben's script. Unzip  
> soylatte, put the jai
> stuff from /System/Library/Java/Extensions/ and the jai that comes  
> with gvSIG
> (~/Library/Java/Extensions/jai_imageio.jar) into soylatte .../jre/ 
> lib/ext, edit ben's
> script for my environment and uncomment soylatte and launch the  
> script.
> Why I think this is marvelous?
> Now I can work remotely in my office machine (ram loaded) with my  
> meager MacBook and use
> all the data I have in it.
> how?
> I edit etc/ssh_config & /etc/sshd_config in the remote machine.
> ssh_config
>
>    #ForwardX11 no
> by
>    ForwardX11 yes
>
> sshd_config
>
>    #X11Forwarding no
>
> by
>
>    X11Forwarding yes
> and from a X11 terminal ssh -Y myremotemachine -l myuser
> Thanks a lot Ben, you did my week.
> Can I share your bundle with others?
> [1] http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/
> INFO AWT-EventQueue-1  
> com.iver.cit.gvsig.IntializeApplicationExtension -     gvSIG locale
> language: es
> INFO AWT-EventQueue-1  
> com.iver.cit.gvsig.IntializeApplicationExtension - OS name: Darwin
> INFO AWT-EventQueue-1  
> com.iver.cit.gvsig.IntializeApplicationExtension -     arch:i386
> INFO AWT-EventQueue-1  
> com.iver.cit.gvsig.IntializeApplicationExtension -     version:9.5.0
> INFO AWT-EventQueue-1  
> com.iver.cit.gvsig.IntializeApplicationExtension - JAVA vendor: Sun
> Microsystems Inc.
> INFO AWT-EventQueue-1  
> com.iver.cit.gvsig.IntializeApplicationExtension -
> version:1.6.0_03-p3
> INFO AWT-EventQueue-1  
> com.iver.cit.gvsig.IntializeApplicationExtension -     home:
> /Users/gore/Downloads/soylatte16-i386-1.0.3/jre
>
>>
>> El 17/10/2008, a las 16:21, Benjamin Ducke escribió:
>>
>>> OK, this all sounds promising and straight-forward.
>>>
>>> Indeed: the SoyLatte JRE runs on X11, so for anyone to use this
>>> version,
>>> they have to:
>>>
>>> 1. Make sure X11 is installed
>>
>> I seem to remember it was installed by default in OS X 10.4 (Tiger),
>> and maybe even without option in 10.5 (Leopard)
>>
>>>
>>> 2. Live with the fact that it looks like an X11 app (So what?)
>>
>> You know, (we) mac people can sometimes be a bit obtuse ;). And the
>> difference is harder to notice if you come from other platforms.
>> But I am sure there will be people willing to stand the ugliness /
>> lack of integration.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will "unbundle" things as you suggested. I will also give it some
>>> more intensive testing. If that's useful for you as well: all the
>>> better!
>>>
>>
>> I hope it will be useful for other mac users. So if I can help in any
>> way, please let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Is there a way for my shell script to know it's own location in the
>>> file
>>> system, so it can figure out all needed paths?
>>>
>>
>> thisDir="${0%/*}"
>> (I use that in (inner bundle).*/Contents/MacOS/preJava)
>> Also, running a bundle is supposed to prepare a couple of variables
>> (mapped to environment variables?) pointing to the interesting dirs.
>> Try to dump them in the shell to look for them.
>>
>>
>>> For this week, I will give it a rest and resume work on it on  
>>> Monday.
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot again for all the help and have a nice weekend!
>>>
>>
>> Nice weekend!
>> (please remember to test native libraries' functionality, like  
>> loading
>> a TIFF. And some screenshots would be very interesting - is it Aqua-
>> like or Metal-like?)
>>
>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In the *.app/Contents/Info.plist you'll find an entry pointing to
>>>> the actual file to be executed (which is supposed to be inside
>>>> *.app/Contents/MacOS). And that file can be a shell script.
>>>> Now, you don't need the complex bundle structure we have been using
>>>> for gvSIG <2. You only need the inner *.app bundle; the "outer" one
>>>> is only to check for and install JAI-ImageIO if needed. Which is
>>>> not your case because you already put it into SoyLatte.
>>>> (gvSIG 2 will also do without the outer bundle, since we have
>>>> learnt that JAI-ImageIO causes Firefox and Opera to die when
>>>> loading Java applets, and so we don't install it system-wide but
>>>> use it as an extra .jar in the classpath)
>>>> (remember to take out the jai-imageio.jar from your ~/Library/Java/
>>>> Extensions !)
>>>> A hopefully minor problem will be that you won't be able to "osx-
>>>> ize" the user experience as much as with the Apple-provided
>>>> JavaStub. Expect problems with the app icon and name while running,
>>>> for example. (or maybe SoyLatte has already been prepared for
>>>> that?...). I think you could overcome that by creating your own
>>>> substitute of the JavaStub, with a little Cocoa program which would
>>>> present itself as gvSIG to the OS and start an embedded JVM which
>>>> would run the actual program....
>>>> Also, can you confirm that the native functionalities (like loading
>>>> a TIFF) do work?
>>>> I think we could polish a bit the whole thing and prepare it so
>>>> different versions of gvSIG can be dropped-in, if you agree.
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> Thanks much for your help, Mijail!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S.: Yes, I copied the JAI I/O which the gvSIG installer put into
>>>>> ~/Library/Java/Extensions ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mijail wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe good news: the log you sent now says this:
>>>>>> " La máquina virtual con la que se ejecuta gvSIG no tiene JAI
>>>>>> instalado"
>>>>>> Which is spanish for "JAI is not installed in the VM executing
>>>>>> gvSIG". (I guess that should be localized or translated! :P)
>>>>>> Also, in this log the JCRS error looks directly related to JAI:
>>>>>> ERROR [AWT-EventQueue-1] (?:?) - Cannot locate extension
>>>>>> classorg.gvsig.crs.JCrsExtension
>>>>>> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/media/jai/ 
>>>>>> EnumeratedParameter
>>>>>> Problem is, ... where to get JAI for SoyLatte?
>>>>>> If it is not available as opensourced, my first idea is to try
>>>>>> the JAI installed in OS X's Java, which you will find in /System/
>>>>>> Library/Java/Extensions/ . (I hope Apple didn't do anything
>>>>>> unholy to them)
>>>>>> Or maybe the .jar's (that is, the non-native parts) of the JAI
>>>>>> distribution for Linux or Windows.
>>>>>> (and while we're at it, which JAI-ImageIO did you use? the one
>>>>>> included with gvSIG, I hope...).
>>>>>> El 17/10/2008, a las 14:24, Benjamin Ducke escribió:
>>>>>>> La máquina virtual con la que se ejecuta gvSIG no tiene JAI
>>>>>>> instalado
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