[Gvsig_english] GvSIG 1251

Wed Nov 4 21:06:05 CET 2009

Dear Manuel, dear list.
first of all: many thanks to you for this detailled reply. I think that
this a very interesting topic and a very important, too.
What I would like to point out was the visibility and transparency of
the bug tracker, but while writing this, many other things come to my
mind which could be more visible. Easier to see..
Sometimes, it could be enough to create that "bug" button and provide
some information on questions like:
* how to use the bug tracker
* how to become a bug tracker
Only some documentation. If you look at qgis.org, you will see that
exactly this is done. 

I like this very much. Using the international mailing list is ok. But
you never know whether the issue that you wrote to the list, is already
reported as a bug. For me as a gvsig-user, it would be also very
interesting to know: what should I test again? What is definitively
working (and thus has not to be tested again...). It would save time!

Well, the bug tracking is just an example, this directly brings me to a
more general topic... In these days of reconstruction and development,
most of the ressources might be captured with other things. But it's
worth to discuss about this. Currently, there is gvsig.gva.es and
www.gvsig.org. This is a little bit confusing, but you seem to have your
reasons for this construction. However, www.gvsig.org is a little bit
too sober and sometimes I have to search for things a little bit too
long. A nice layout which would provide the most important links and
some additional information (like "story of the month" would be great.
Mwah. This is what comes to my mind at the moment.. www.gvsig.org is
great, no question. But there are still things that can be
improved... :)

Best,
Wolfgang

Am Mittwoch, den 04.11.2009, 14:14 +0100 schrieb Manuel Madrid:
> Dear Wolfgang.
> 
> Let me explain the situation.
> 
> Well, we could distinguish between two kind of contributors: general and 
> advanced. We think bugtracker is appropriate only for advanced ones, 
> since is not too easy to fill in a ticket. You must know and follow some 
> instructions in order to get a valid report. Obviously most of the users 
> wouldn't report an error if this is the only way and that's why the 
> "official" way to report errors is the email list (the easiest way). 
> Nevertheless, if somebody is interested in reporting errors directly in 
> the bugtracker, we'll be very glad to create an account and give him/her 
> the instructions to fill in tickets. He/she only has to ask us for it. 
> Anyway, you're right. This is not visible in the web now.
> 
> Our aim is that everyone can access bugtracker data (queries like fixed 
> bugs, current bugs, etc.) but only advanced contributors can fill in 
> tickets.
> 
> We're now preparing a report form that (we think) will be the optimum 
> way for reporting errors. It will be available in the web. It will be 
> very simple to fill in and it will be connected to the bugtracker so the 
> report will go into the database directly. Apart from that, we'll 
> improve the queries so users can look for errors easily. We'll introduce 
> this changes little by little.
> 
> Regarding the language, this is a big problem. At the moment the most of 
> the testers speaks spanish. That's because the most of the error tickets 
> are in spanish. We try to introduce english more and more in the 
> project, translating more and more things to english but our first 
> language is still spanish. So far the filosophy is to accept tickets in 
> both english and spanish and when we find a ticket in english we answer 
> in english too. We try to translate all the web to english but, as you 
> said, we still have spanish texts. Sorry. I know everything will be much 
> more easy for english speakers contributors if we only use english.
> 
> Best regards,
> Manuel.
> 
> 
> Wolfgang Qual escribió:
> > Dear Manuel,
> > you are right. But I fear that the bugtracker is not that known. Is it 
> > possible for everyone to access that tracker? I fear that this is not 
> > the case.
> > I guess that many users are only interested in watching "what is 
> > currently done" or "what bug was just resolved". Some users really would 
> > like to contribute to the bugtracker.
> > And some may follow. But then, the tracker should be more visible. For 
> > example, qgis places "BUGS" very clearly on its homepage. I like this.
> > I know that you all are very busy at the moment with all that 
> > stabilization and developing of 2.0/1.9 and you are not able to do 
> > everything. But it would be great,
> > if this could be improved. For example, on the project website [1], 
> > there is a headline "bugs corregidos en esta version" - this is nice, 
> > but this information is mostly in Spanish and it is not
> > clear to which version those bugs belong to.
> > For the moment, I would be very happy, if you could tell us, how users 
> > can become bug-trackers. Sounds like ghost busters. Bug busters!
> > 
> > [1] http://www.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/devel/gvsig
> > 
> > All the best.
> > Wolfgang
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Manuel Madrid schrieb:
> >> Thanks a lot for your words, Ben.
> >> This encourages us to keep on working and improving.
> >>
> >> And thank you very much, above all, for your testing task. Without any 
> >> doubt, your participation on testing and reporting errors in the 
> >> bugtracking is helping us to get a robust 1.9. You're a very good 
> >> example of tester-contributor. I hope this encourages other users to do 
> >> the same.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Manuel.
> >>
> >>
> >> Benjamin Ducke escribió:
> >>   
> >>> Dear developers
> >>>
> >>> I am just writing to let you know how 
> >>> impressed I am with the latest build of gvSIG.
> >>> It feels significantly more smooth and robust than 1.1.2
> >>> and I cannot think of many significant missing
> >>> features. There still are bugs, of course, but they
> >>> are more and more cosmetics; it is getting hard to find
> >>> anything critical.
> >>>
> >>> Two or three years ago, when being asked for a functional
> >>> open source alternative to expensive closed source desktop
> >>> GIS, I would be unsure what to answer. Now it seems
> >>> so obvious.
> >>>
> >>> I am looking forward to deploying gvSIG 1.9 on many desktops
> >>> at our company, in research institutions and homes.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your hard work,
> >>>
> >>> Ben
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ===
> >>>
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