[Gvsig_english] world file and on-the fly transformationfor vectorlayers

Thu Sep 30 11:26:18 CEST 2010

Hi,

Thank you for this information, obviously I need to start my ArcMap some day and see all the nice features I have not seen before of already forgotton.  I was thinking all the time that this world file is the raster world file, often referred as "ESRI world file". Actually this ESRI vector world file seems to be exactly what I was thinking about when I was writing about the warp file format. There is a minory chance for confusion with the file extension because .wld is what gdal is using for a universal raster world file extension, in stead of image file format specific ESRI standard naming (.tfw, .pgw, .eww, .j2w and so on). However, if there are not images with with gdal .wld world files and vector files having the same base name in the same directory there will not be any trouble.

Warping with more than two control points can make sense if someone is digitising features from scanned maps.  They can have bad local distortions, especially if they are scanned from books.

-Jukka Rahkonen-

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> Benjamin Ducke
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> Aihe: Re: [Gvsig_english] world file and on-the fly 
> transformationfor vectorlayers
> 
> http://webhelp.esri.com/arcgisdesktop/9.2/index.cfm?TopicName=
World_files
> 
> Apparently, the Esri GIS world uses these for georeferencing CAD
> files, which have objects whose coordinates (just like raw 
> image files) 
> do not represent locations in defined geodetic systems
> (so called "local systems" in CAD).
> 
> So the original request was to support these transformation files just
> like ArcMap does.
> 
> Like I argued in my last email, I do not think it should be used
> for anything else than CAD files.
> 
> Ben
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Hi,
> > 
> > While world files are pretty often used for georeferencing rasters I
> > have never heard about using them for georeferencing vector data.
> > World file format gives a possibility to give the anchor point, two
> > rotation parameters and pixel sizes in x- and y-directions. It would
> > be possible to georeference vectors somehow with this 
> information (add
> > this value to each CAD x-coordinate and another value to each
> > y-coordinate and rotate). I am not sure if vectors could be 
> stretched
> > to any direction by the information that can be stored into world
> > file. It would still give an usable result for georeferencing CAD
> > drawings and also total station measuments using local coordinates.
> > However, I feel that instead of trying to re-use world file 
> format to
> > something else than it is designed for it could be better 
> to design a
> > simple text file format just for the this special use. No other
> > software would support world file referencing for vectors anyhow so
> > nothing would be lost by using an own gvSIG format.
> > 
> > Most simple format could take just source and target coordinates for
> > two or more reference points for performing a simple vector 
> warp. More
> > advanced option would be to store all the parameters which 
> are needed
> > for affine transformation. Simple warp option should be good enough
> > for georeferencing most CAD works and total station 
> measurements. The
> > file extension .wrp feels rather good.
> > 
> > -Jukka Rahkonen-
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ernesto sferlazza wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello gvSIG developers.
> > > I reply a very old issue (15-01-2007), that I wrote to gvSIG team
> > > ahead of my subcrition to the international list.
> > > >
> > > > " it would be very useful to implement "on the fly
> > > transformation" of CAD layers, using "wld" files. In this way
> > > it is possible , for example, to use a CAD cartography
> > > georeferenced in local coordinates in a view frame referenced
> > > in UTM-WGS84, without the need of create a new CAD file
> > > moving all the features from the first to the second
> > > cartographic system.
> > > > [...] The "wld" file is simply a text file containing the
> > > informations that allow the software to calculate the
> > > parameters of a particular affine transformation (i know it
> > > is called "similitude") composed of a rigid rotation, a shift
> > > of the origin of axis and an uniform change of overall
> > > scale. The called informations consist of the coordinates of
> > > two points, given in two different frames of reference: the
> > > start frame and the target frame [...] .
> > > > From the informations contained in the "wld" file it is
> > > possible, using a worksheet and a CAD software [...], to
> > > perform quickly the transformation, calculating the
> > > parameters of rotation, overall scale and shifting and
> > > applying them to the CAD drawing, using the command line"
> > >
> > >
> > > Nowadays the only way I have found to perform such transformation
> > > with
> > > gvSIG + Sextante consists of the following steps:
> > > 1) export the CAD file to the SHP format;
> > > 2) given the coordinates of two points, both in in the start frame
> > > end in the target frame, I can calculate the parameters of
> > > translation, rotation, scale factor and anchor point coordinates
> > > needed to perform a similitude transformation (I can use the
> > > following spreadsheet:
> > > http://www.provincia.agrigento.it/flex/cm/pages/ServeAttachmen
> > > t.php/L/IT/D/D.c460f62201e21373447d/P/BLOB%3AID%3D309
> > >
> > > 3) use the "transform" algorithm of Sextante, using the above
> > > mentioned parameters as input.
> > >
> > > This procedure works fine, but is quite farraginous 
> compared to the
> > > simplest use of "wld" file performed by ArcGIS.
> > > Implementing this feature, even spread to all vector formats, shp
> > > included, would be a great improvement for interoperability too.
> > > Best regards.
> > > Ernesto
> > >
> > >
> > > -- ing. Ernesto Sferlazza
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