[Gvsig_english] Free But Shackled - The Java Trap

[Simone Casciaroli]

I want to plot the Luis's post and to hang up above my desk with the
title "GNU manifest", obviously GNU as Jorge said previously means
gvSIG's not Unix :)

I am beginning to see this newsgroup not only like a place in which
discover news about gvSIG and solve technical problem but like a
community with cool person with concrete ideas about what Open Source
means.
I really enjoy that this discussion happening in the international
list, I hope that this is the "beginning of a new era" in the gvSIG
development community.

On 6/21/07, Jorge Sanz <jsanz at prodevelop.es> wrote:
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>
>
> Wow, now I'm sure we have a community here, there is at least one troll!!
> (apart from me :P)
>
>  I couldn't resist posting that photograph I saw yesteryday in some blogs...
> http://geomaticblog.net/files/images/howard-dean-arcgis.jpg
>
>  Mario, I think you should answer questions with better arguments to have a
> good debate.
>
>  Regards,
>  Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas
>  Ingeniero en Geodesia y Cartografía
>  Prodevelop S.L. - Valencia - España
>  Tlf.:  96.351.06.12 - Fax:   96.351.09.68
>  jsanz[en]prodevelop[punto]es
>  http://www.prodevelop.es
>
>
>
>  -----Mensaje original-----
>  De: gvsig_internacional-bounces at runas.cap.gva.es en nombre
> de Mario Pisa
>  Enviado el: mié 20/06/2007 21:36
>  Para: Users and Developers mailing list
>  Asunto: Re: [Gvsig_english] Free But Shackled - The Java Trap
>
>
>  At this moment, gvSIG is not GNU.
>
>
>  On 6/20/07, Luis W. Sevilla <sevilla_lui at gva.es> wrote:
>  >
>  > Mario Pisa wrote:
>  >
>  > > Hi,
>  > >
>  > > In this old issue, Richard Stallman advise about warnings with Free
>  > > Software (Not Open Source) and Java, With the released OpenJDK, the
>  > > FSF congratulations to Sun for his decission, but he said "We must
>  > > learn a lesson from the history of Java, so we can avoid other traps
>  > > in the future.".
>  > >
>  > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
>  >
>  > April 2004 it's 3 years old, and obviously does not include the idea of
>  > suf releasing JVM under GPL license. I think using this essay today has
>  > no sense.
>  > a more recent one, about java and freeness, coming from FSF:
>  > https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-welcomes-gpl-java.html
>  >
>  > > AFAIK, Sun licensed GPL for Java 5 and 6 (Mustang and Dolphin) and, in
>  > > other hand, libraries for images 2D are not GPL (for example JAI).
>  > >
>  > > at this moment, if my knowledge is current, can I declare what gvSIG
>  > > is free? (yes, it's Open. But is Free?)
>  >
>  > can you declare it? answer by yourself.
>  > and about the basis: capability to be free being written on java:
>  > http://directory.fsf.org/all/ant.html
>  > http://directory.fsf.org/all/eclipse.html
>  > http://directory.fsf.org/libs/java/HotSwap.html
>  > http://directory.fsf.org/all/IzPack.html
>  > and some dozens of proyects more, listed under FSF/UNESCO directory of
>  > free software.
>  >
>  > > with the only spirit to generate a cordial debate that enrich us to
> all,
>  >
>  > I see anything but search of empty dispute, sorry.
>  > anyway, my two cents.
>  > greetings
>  >     Luis
>  >
>  > >
>  > > Mario
>  > >
>  >
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>  >   Generalitat Valenciana
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